Halcyon_Suoh
本帖最后由 小草—c_t_l 于 2019-6-26 21:05 编辑

The combat mechanics in Java Edition have been a controversial topic ever since the 1.9 update. We want the mechanics to be the same across all editions, but simply porting Java to Bedrock or vice versa is not taking us forward. We want to find a system that is flexible and works well across all input devices.
自1.9以来,对Java版的战斗机制的话题的争议性一直很大。我们期望不同版本的MC拥有一个统一的战斗机制。但只是把Java版的战斗机制复制黏贴到基岩版是不会带来丝毫进步的。反之同理。我们想找出一种灵活的,可适应多种输入设备的战斗机制。
Main issues in Java Edition,
在Java版中的主要问题,
  • Too slow for PvP - not exciting enough
  • 战斗节奏十分缓慢,一点都不令人激动
  • Damage per second is too low to beat regenerating items
  • 相对血量回复物品的HPS(Heal Per Second/每秒治疗量)来说,DPS(Damaga Per Second/每秒伤害量)过低
  • Too hard to understand for new players
  • 对新玩家来说较为晦涩难懂

Main issues in Bedrock,
在基岩版中的主要问题,
  • Tedious on controller (Legacy editions fixed this)
  • 在控制器上的操作十分反人类(PS4版上对此问题有所改善)
  • Weapons are very similar
  • 武器同质化严重
  • Armor is not balanced
  • 各种护甲并没有很好的平衡

This "manually installed Java snapshot" is the first experiment of the new direction of combat mechanics. It's based upon the current Java Edition system, but with the following major changes:
这个.."需要手动安装的Java版快照"是我们对改善战斗机制做的一次全新尝试,它基于目前的Java版战斗机制,但包含了如下改动
  • Overall much faster attacks
  • 就总体来说,攻击速度更快了
  • Attacks only happen when fully charged, even if you spam click
  • 现只可在蓄力完成后才可发动攻击,即使你狂点左键也无法超过武器最大攻击速度
  • You can hold to attack
  • 现可按住左键来一直攻击
  • Weapons have different reach (attack range)
  • 武器现在拥有不同的攻击距离
  • When you stop attacking, the attack timer will continue charging to 200%
  • 当停止攻击时,伤害决定条将缓慢充能至满
  • At 200% you can perform special attacks (crits, sweeping, knockback) and these attacks have longer reach
  • 在伤害决定条充满时攻击可造成额外效果(下落时攻击产生的暴击,剑的横扫,疾跑时攻击造成的额外击退)以及更远的攻击距离
  • Sweeping only occurs on swords with the Sweeping enchantment
  • 剑的横扫只在剑拥有附魔"横扫之刃"时才会触发
  • Critical attacks (jump attacks) bypass shields
  • 暴击(下落时攻击)可以穿过盾牌伤害其后的玩家
  • Shields have no warm-up delay
  • 移除了举盾至玩家开始格挡伤害的延迟
  • Shields also activate when crouching/sneaking
  • 现可使用潜行键来举起盾牌
  • If you hit something, the target's "invulnerability timer" will be shorter if you have a quick weapon
  • 如果你打中了什么东西,被击中者的伤害免疫时间(hurttime)将基于攻击者武器的攻击速度而定(若攻速较快,则目标的伤害免疫时间较短)

Please comment and critique, and give suggestions on where to go from here.
烦请评论及评判,您的建议对增进该战斗机制十分有帮助。(建议在原文下方使用英语回复)
Installation instructions:
安装步骤:
Finding the Minecraft application folder:
如何找到你的Minecraft安装文件夹:
  • Windows: Press Ctrl+R and type %appdata%/.minecraft and press Ok
  • Windows:点击Ctrl+R组合键,并在弹出的窗口内键入"%appdata%/.minecraft"后点击确定
  • Mac OS X: In Finder, in the Go menu, select "Go to Folder" and enter ~/Library/Application Support/minecraft
  • Mac OS X:打开访达,在菜单中选择前往,然后选择前往文件夹并键入~/Library/Application Support/minecraft
  • Linux: ~/.minecraft or /home/<your username>/.minecraft/
  • Linux:其位于路径~/.minecraft or /home/<your username>/.minecraft/

Once you have the launcher set up you can download the server files from there as well.
若你已在启动器成功安装该快照后,你可以在启动器中下载服务端文件。
Cheers!
祝游玩愉快!

原文
Jeb_ - https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/c5mqwv/a_custom_java_edition_snapshot_to_test_new_combat/

2021.12 数据,可能有更多内容The combat mechanics in Java Edition have been a controversial topic ever since the 1.9 update. We want the mechanics to be the same across all editions, but simply porting Java to Bedrock or vice versa is not taking us forward. We want to find a system that is flexible and works well across all input devices.自1.9以来,对Java版的战斗机制的话题的争议性一直很大。我们期望不同版本的MC拥有一个统一的战斗机制。但只是把Java版的战斗机制复制黏贴到基岩版是不会带来丝毫进步的。反之同理。我们想找出一种灵活的,可适应多种输入设备的战斗机制。Main issues in Java Edition,在Java版中的主要问题,
  • Too slow for PvP - not exciting enough
  • 战斗节奏十分缓慢,一点都不令人激动
  • Damage per second is too low to beat regenerating items
  • 相对血量回复物品的HPS(Heal Per Second/每秒治疗量)来说,DPS(Damaga Per Second/每秒伤害量)过低
  • Too hard to understand for new players
  • 对新玩家来说较为晦涩难懂
Main issues in Bedrock,在基岩版中的主要问题,
  • Tedious on controller (Legacy editions fixed this)
  • 在控制器上的操作十分反人类(PS4版上对此问题有所改善)
  • Weapons are very similar
  • 武器同质化严重
  • Armor is not balanced
  • 各种护甲并没有很好的平衡
This &quot;manually installed Java snapshot&quot; is the first experiment of the new direction of combat mechanics. It's based upon the current Java Edition system, but with the following major changes:这个..&quot;需要手动安装的Java版快照&quot;是我们对改善战斗机制做的一次全新尝试,它基于目前的Java版战斗机制,但包含了如下改动
  • Overall much faster attacks
  • 就总体来说,攻击速度更快了
  • Attacks only happen when fully charged, even if you spam click
  • 现只可在蓄力完成后才可发动攻击,即使你狂点左键也无法超过武器最大攻击速度
  • You can hold to attack
  • 现可按住左键来一直攻击
  • Weapons have different reach (attack range)
  • 武器现在拥有不同的攻击距离
  • When you stop attacking, the attack timer will continue charging to 200%
  • 当停止攻击时,伤害决定条将缓慢充能至满
  • At 200% you can perform special attacks (crits, sweeping, knockback) and these attacks have longer reach
  • 在伤害决定条充满时攻击可造成额外效果(下落时攻击产生的暴击,剑的横扫,疾跑时攻击造成的额外击退)以及更远的攻击距离
  • Sweeping only occurs on swords with the Sweeping enchantment
  • 剑的横扫只在剑拥有附魔&quot;横扫之刃&quot;时才会触发
  • Critical attacks (jump attacks) bypass shields
  • 暴击(下落时攻击)可以穿过盾牌伤害其后的玩家
  • Shields have no warm-up delay
  • 移除了举盾至玩家开始格挡伤害的延迟
  • Shields also activate when crouching/sneaking
  • 现可使用潜行键来举起盾牌
  • If you hit something, the target's &quot;invulnerability timer&quot; will be shorter if you have a quick weapon
  • 如果你打中了什么东西,被击中者的伤害免疫时间(hurttime)将基于攻击者武器的攻击速度而定(若攻速较快,则目标的伤害免疫时间较短)
Please comment and critique, and give suggestions on where to go from here.烦请评论及评判,您的建议对增进该战斗机制十分有帮助。(建议在原文下方使用英语回复)Installation instructions:安装步骤:Finding the Minecraft application folder:如何找到你的Minecraft安装文件夹:
  • Windows: Press Ctrl+R and type %appdata%/.minecraft and press Ok
  • Windows:点击Ctrl+R组合键,并在弹出的窗口内键入&quot;%appdata%/.minecraft&quot;后点击确定
  • Mac OS X: In Finder, in the Go menu, select &quot;Go to Folder&quot; and enter ~/Library/Application Support/minecraft
  • Mac OS X:打开访达,在菜单中选择前往,然后选择前往文件夹并键入~/Library/Application Support/minecraft
  • Linux: ~/.minecraft or /home/&lt;your username&gt;/.minecraft/
  • Linux:其位于路径~/.minecraft or /home/&lt;your username&gt;/.minecraft/
Once you have the launcher set up you can download the server files from there as well.若你已在启动器成功安装该快照后,你可以在启动器中下载服务端文件。Cheers!祝游玩愉快!
原文Jeb_ - https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/c5mqwv/a_custom_java_edition_snapshot_to_test_new_combat/

世予予
我还以为要出战斗机呢
原来是战斗机制啊

ruhuasiyu
感觉比现在更好啊

790282124
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

brooke_zb
只有蓄力满了才能攻击好评

迷茫_
本帖最后由 迷茫_ 于 2019-6-27 13:41 编辑

可以改攻击距离了吗 那是不是可以有四十米的大刀了

liach
楼主还是麻烦把客户端和服务器的下载链接放下吧。
解压的json(省得下载手动打开zip解压了):
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客户端: https://launcher.mojang.com/v1/o ... 4243fb2d/client.jar
服务器: https://launcher.mojang.com/v1/o ... ae26e784/server.jar

虽然这个版本json不知道launchermeta上有没有,客户端和服务器的包倒是官网上直接**的。




尛丶情绪
我以为要出战斗机= =

26790top
看到战斗机进来的

4X_
蓄力攻击好评,总算不用强行制造“攻击间隔”了。

不笑猫丶
战斗机+1=.=

Softwell
已经解释得很详细了

547312329
感觉现在的战斗机制很平衡,不过回血量过高导致很难进行击杀

zyjking
对一些反作弊来说,更难判断了

z10x23
想要以前的无脑砍砍砍……

Dr.Cola
这算是1.15的第一个快照?

Dr.Cola
hmcl咋安装

Alxeh
为啥不放到启动器里下载。。

地形破坏者
烟花火箭和弩是个不错的搭配,只可惜威力不大速度不快

MashKJo
鸡饭看得好难受

NoName德里奇
战斗机制又双叒要改了?
希望能往好的方向改吧。

Ruinous
总感觉新的战斗机制就是多了蓄力呢。。。

麻花awa
新机制,我喜欢(正在下载客户端测试)

20522
很强,新战斗机!

Deing
本帖最后由 Deing 于 2019-6-27 13:21 编辑
迷茫_ 发表于 2019-6-26 22:35
如果可以改攻击距离了吗 那是不是可以有四十米的大刀了

然而并不行……我看了一个视频,里面测试发现最远只能砍到6.2格的地方,即便用指令搞出攻击距离100的剑也是这样的。
而且目前好像只有剑跟锄头有“攻击距离”这个属性,剑是3,锄头是4,。

不过剑的攻击速度是比之前快了不少,而且一直按住鼠标左键就能自动在蓄满力后发动100%伤害的攻击。

还有就是,跳劈暴击 跟 剑的横扫之刃 没法通过一直按住左键发动,必须自己盯着在蓄好力之后按键才能行,如果一直按着左键,只会一直发动最普通的攻击。不过击退没有这个限制。
然后,创造模式下空手左键破坏方块的速度也给变慢了,相当于有了一个冷却延迟,不知道这个会不会再改

最后,怪物的无敌时间被取消了,之前砍了怪物一下之后,很短的一个瞬间内没法立刻再对它造成伤害,但现在没有这个了,所以如果搞出一个攻击速度100的剑,就能迅速造成海量伤害

破损的鞘翅
看了一眼发现剑的伤害普遍提高了,而且长按攻击真的是很bug,有把铁剑就可以单小黑,苦力怕僵尸直接连死
还有下蹲举盾是真的好用,可以一边举盾一边攻击
建议是削弱长按右键攻击的伤害,提高蓄力的伤害,普通剑没了横扫蓄力意义不大
还有就是下蹲举盾时应该不能长按右键连续攻击,否则太无敌了

soil-sword
简单粗暴:我们缺一个mod

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则水
只可在蓄力完成后才可发动攻击

这个要是可以开关的话似乎会更好。
我进不了原文,提不了建议,这很难受。
好心人帮我提一下建议吧。

ijrys
世予 发表于 2019-6-26 21:29
我还以为要出战斗机呢
原来是战斗机制啊

眼瓢+1~
以为出了mc战斗机版~

752373704
MashKJo 发表于 2019-6-27 12:19
鸡饭看得好难受

签名给力啊

lizi2006
没尝试
觉得很一般吧,但里面一些什么蓄力之类的,感觉让人崩溃

117779284
连点器太讨厌了·

SPGoding
感谢你们的评论!很有用!
这是目前一些主流的想法:


自动攻击太简单了
这个功能是为了易用性和控制器手柄考虑的。不过为键鼠玩家加入一个关闭这个功能的选项也没什么问题就是了。


PvE 太简单了
这个问题挺诡异的。在这个版本里我没花太多精力来做平衡,因为我想先得到些基础的反馈。问题在于玩家和生物的生命/盔甲并不平衡。大多数生物有 10 到 30 滴血并且没有盔甲,而大多数玩家在 PvP 时都有着 20 点生命和 10+ 的防护值(以及盾牌和附魔)。我们要么是选择削弱玩家或是让玩家攻击再慢下来,要么选择加强生物。我觉得让自带盔甲的生物生成得更频繁些会挺有趣,不过做这种更新挺耗时间的。


在举着盾疾跑的时候还能攻击
在基岩版里这是个特性,不过在攻击期间盾牌应该暂时失效的。现在并不会失效(是个 bug)。


创造模式不能破坏方块了
是个 bug :(


我还是喜欢 1.8
没问题,但如果唯一的解决方式就是完全复刻 1.8 的战斗机制的话,还不如永远停留在 1.8。


未完待续…
这个主题有大约 1500 条评论了,我暂时还不能全部一览,不过请继续测试并提出你的想法和建议。


感谢!



柿子shizi
fan人类不好说,但新人去操作的确比较难适应,只有那些老玩家才能西瓜这蓄力攻击

我的工业2
如果最终版本,攻击距离可以自由调整的话
鞭子之类的创意武器就可以简单的实现了
也期待大佬开发鞭子点按钮之类功能(联想)

不过话说,,,攻击距离和挖掘距离没有绑在一起吧?

1235789512
加上鎖定跟翻滾就會好玩了

Falling_Star_
1.15又会是一个战斗更新?
游戏BUG越来越多,还是先修BUG吧。再这么下去我都不想玩了,尤其是性能BUG,跑下图16GB的内存吃满了,真是搞不懂!

4X_
柿子shizi 发表于 2019-6-27 22:24
fan人类不好说,但新人去操作的确比较难适应,只有那些老玩家才能西瓜这蓄力攻击 ...

为什么感觉你说反了

空門蒼
其实吧相比较1.8的 我还是更喜欢1.9以后的战斗机制。。

UNCADAN
我是想剑的攻击间隔能不能比现在再短一点。当然我很称赞楼上一位大佬的说法:复刻1.8

1965984121
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RP许豆
感觉还不错欸,就希望麻将不要再创造出一堆bug来

汪皓子
跪问大佬怎么创建配置,和选中

nggcgg2
越来越麻烦 越来越难记 还不如倒退到1.7

齐天大西瓜
多的8说了顶一手...

thesteve95
还是最喜欢1.9之前的战斗机制......

wzlwdsj
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我是猪蹄啊
我的手速没用了

388498173
我在想如果是战斗更新会不会出火枪。而且希望丛林村庄和沼泽村庄能出得快些。不想治疗沼泽僵尸村民和丛林僵尸村民来获得对应的村民。

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